BRIGITTEGATE
THE 1977 INTERVIEW WITH “VÉRONIQUE”
Look who’s talking
One of the most compelling pieces of evidence is part of an episode of the talkshow Aujourd’hui Magazine that was broadcast on September 27, 1977, on the French national channel Antenne 2. The program is archived and a short excerpt is available on the website of the Institut National de l’Audiovisuel (INA). The whole segment, but filmed with a phone while the segment plays on a computer screen (probably in an archive/library where it was allowed to view the material but not download it), is available here.
The segment is an interview with two transsexual young women, Martine and “Véronique”. It is explained that Véronique is not her real name and that this woman wants to stay anonymous during the interview. She is shown only as a silhouette with backlighting, in a darker area of the studio, which makes it obviously very hard to see facial features.
What we can see in the profile, is that the chin is very much placed like that of Brigitte Macron (a bit of an underbite), and “Veronique’s” gestures resemble those of Brigitte a lot.
Also the way of expressing her thoughts, the intellectual, almost convoluted way of saying things, with lots of literary words and references to artistic history, is very similar to that of Brigitte Macron.
Most disturbing is the recurrence of ‘verbal tics’: “en l’occurence” and “c’est-à-dire” are used in the same way by Brigitte and “Véronique”.
But the voice is what is important here. Brigitte Macron has a very specific way of speaking, with a thick S and a particular intonation and pronunciation. The woman in the interview who is called “Véronique” speaks in the exact same way.
IGMAudio, a company in Brussels, Belgium, ran the voices through a voice comparison software called Audacity, and concluded that the voices are one and the same, albeit one a lot older than the other.
Pressibus has asked ChatGTP to compare the voices, and the result was the same: there’s a little difference which can be explained by an age difference of 46 years.
They also received an email from a follower who had done a comparison by combining results of different speech software, and reached the exact same conclusion: extreme similarities except for the height of the voice, which changes naturally with ageing.
Xavier Poussard has noted that “Véronique” is vague in her answers in the interview, but that the fact that she strongly points out the legal obstacles to have official adjustment of identity hints at Jean-Michel/Brigitte using this interview to push for changes in French transgender legislation.
In January 2025, a French witness claims to have known a transgender woman named “Véronica” in 1993, who was pushing male transvestite prostitutes to get operated and transition fully to womanhood: she provided information and assistance, and explained that the medical costs would be fully reimbursed by the state. (Remember that Emmanuel Macron’s mother, Françoise Noguès, was working in exactly that field of reimbursements of medical costs for gender transitioners.)
Using the pen name Stéphane de Charnage, he published a book about his experiences growing up in an aristocratic family and becoming a male prostitute.
In interviews, he recounts how he met this woman during his time as a male prostitute in Lyon, in 1993-94. The transvestites called her Coupe-Zizi (“Willy-Cutter”), a name that Natacha Rey already had come across in police records of that time.
Véronica/Coupe-Zizi had a specific way of talking and always saying “c’est à dire”. Stéphane also noted that she spoke in a way that denounced her high social standing, having no clue about the lives of ordinary people.
More than two decades later, while listening to a TV broadcast, he suddenly recognised “Coupe-Zizi”, because of her voice and the way she spoke (he wasn’t watching the screen), and when turning to see who was talking, was stunned to find it was Brigitte Macron.
